Allegro Con Brio - Bernard Haitnik gibt Karim Said seine Analyse und sein Feedback

Bernard Haitink
Bernard Haitink

Lesson time: (10min 54sec)

Karim Said dirigiert Brahms' Dritte, während Bernard Haitink offenes Feedback dazu gibt, wie man sich mit dem Orchester verbindet und das Allegro con brio gestaltet.

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Music Lesson

Enjoy yourself. Thanks. May I just ask for two things before I start?
I would first start. Start. Okay. Because that's a very dangerous thing when you start. Start.

The Importance of Connection

At most difficult moments of a conductor is when he comes to the orchestra, the first time he comes on the platform and starts to talk. That is very dangerous because orchestra musicians are wonderful, but they can be very cruel.

"Oh God, another talker."

The thing is gone. First, show that you have contact. Then you can do what you want. Well, do what you want. What you think is necessary at that moment.

Feedback for Karim

Good. Letter D, please.

"Well, sorry, one moment."

You are a difficult case for me because you have enormous talent, Karim, but sometimes I don't want to interfere with your interpretation. There is already an interpretation, but it is a dangerous one.

Sometimes I'm not sure if you really want what you are doing because it goes very often slower, faster. And you want to take the orchestra with you, which is good. But I miss a little bit,

"And it's an unpleasant, unartistic word."

It misses a little bit of control. You do sometimes things which I don't understand, and I'm surprised that the orchestra takes it.

Revisiting the Performance

I want to see it once more. Where was it? Here? Where did you start? Sorry.

"Yeah, do that once more. Same place, two bars before the second time. Bar, please."

Well.

"And Carjan and Baron Boyne would be extremely impressed with that."

They would do it themselves. But after 30 years with an orchestra, what you are doing is all of a sudden at a critical moment.

"Well, come on, play on."

I don't know how you do it, but they play. Maybe I'm a bit envious, but I should say try to give it a little bit more clarity for the time being. Later on, you can say,

"Come on, boys and girls, play."

And I'm standing here and I'm enjoying it, and it works. But I would now be a little bit more careful. So do the same once more.

Clarification on Expectations

Okay. Are you talking about this? Because I think I should be clear here.

"Yes."

I think that a conductor's life goes in several phases, and you are in phase one. It has to be clear.

That doesn't mean that you should neglect the music. There were some very great conductors who were very clear, and there were some very great conductors who were not that clear. That's a personal choice. But now at this time.

"Yeah, okay."

Okay, I have to rub it in. Letter E.

"Can we just have more sustained, please?"

Should I go from the same place? Okay. More bows on the crotchets, please. Where?

"At the beginning."

PI. Yum. Bum. Bum bum to give it more sound and especially more bass. Bass in general, it could be a lot more double basses.

"I mean, shadow is great."

Thank you. Yes.

"Karim, that's too dangerous."

That's dangerous. There's too much air there. You don't know where to start with this. After the second beat, I don't want you to beat it out.

"Can you give me three before H that they must have?"

Yeah. Okay. It's no sin to be a bit more clear there.

"There is too much air here."

It doesn't work. So do once more from here. Okay. Same place, please.

"Yes, yes. Poker it."

Okay. What you lack at the moment still is these little, little subdivisions.

And even after three performances, you don't have to do that anymore. But a first performance, a first rehearsal, it is nice when you can keep that under control.

"We do tomorrow."

Yeah. Thank you.

About the instructor

Bernard Haitink
Bernard Haitink

Mit einer internationalen Dirigentenkarriere, die sich über mehr als fünf Jahrzehnte erstreckt, zählt der in Amsterdam geborene Bernard Haitink zu den gefeiertsten Dirigenten unserer Zeit. Zu Beginn der Saison 2006/07 zum Chefdirigenten des Chicago Symphony Orchestra ernannt, hat er viele der bedeutendsten Orchester der Welt geleitet, darunter über 25 Jahre an der Spitze des Royal Concertgebouw als dessen Musikdirektor. Darüber hinaus hatte Herr Haitink zuvor die Posten des Musikdirektors der Staatskapelle Dresden, der Royal Opera, Covent Garden, der Glyndebourne Festival Opera und des London Philharmonic inne. Er ist Conductor Laureate des Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra, Conductor Emeritus des Boston Symphony Orchestra und Ehrenmitglied der Berliner Philharmoniker. Als Gastdirigent trat er häufig bei den Berliner Philharmonikern, den Wiener Philharmonikern, dem Bayerischen Rundfunk, dem London Symphony und anderen führenden Orchestern auf. Herr Haitink hat umfangreich für die Labels Phillips, Decca und EMI aufgenommen, darunter Gesamtzyklen der Sinfonien von Mahler, Bruckner und Schumann mit dem Concertgebouw sowie ein umfassendes Repertoire mit den Berliner und Wiener Philharmonikern und dem Boston Symphony Orchestra. Seine jüngsten Aufnahmen sind die Gesamteinspielungen der Sinfonien von Brahms und Beethoven mit dem London Symphony Orchestra beim Label LSO Live. Seine Diskografie umfasst zudem zahlreiche Opernaufnahmen mit der Royal Opera und Glyndebourne sowie mit dem Symphonieorchester des Bayerischen Rundfunks und der Staatskapelle Dresden. Herrn Haitinks Aufnahme von Janáčeks Jenufa mit dem Orchester, den Solisten und dem Chor des Royal Opera House, Covent Garden, wurde 2004 mit einem Grammy Award für die beste Opernaufnahme ausgezeichnet. Herr Haitink hat zahlreiche internationale Auszeichnungen in Anerkennung seiner Verdienste um die Musik erhalten, darunter sowohl einen Ehrenritterschlag als auch den Order of the Companions of Honour im Vereinigten Königreich sowie den Hausorden von Oranien-Nassau in den Niederlanden. 2007 wurde er von Musical America zum „Musiker des Jahres“ ernannt. In seinem MusicGurus-Kurs über Brahms' Sinfonie Nr. 3 schöpft Haitink aus einem Leben am Dirigentenpult, um dich tief in die Partitur zu führen — wie er ihre Phrasierung, Balance, ihr Tempo und ihre Struktur formt — und gewährt seltene Einblicke, wie einer der großen Dirigenten eine Brahms-Sinfonie liest und zum Leben erweckt, ob du nun Dirigent, Orchestermusiker oder leidenschaftlicher Zuhörer bist. read more

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