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Poco Allegretto - Bernard Haitnik gives his anaklysis and feedback to Anne-Marie Granau

Anne-Marie Granau conducts the introspective third movement of Brahms's Symphony No. 3 and gets detailed feedback from Bernard Haitink.

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    • 03. Allegro Con Brio - Bernard Haitnik gives his anaklysis and feedback to Leo McFall

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    • 04. Allegro Con Brio - Bernard Haitnik gives his anaklysis and feedback to Timothy Henty

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    • 05. Allegro Con Brio - Bernard Haitnik gives his anaklysis and feedback to Karim Said

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    • 06. Allegro Con Brio - Bernard Haitnik gives his anaklysis and feedback to Michael Young

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    • 07. Andante - Bernard Haitnik gives his anaklysis and feedback to Timothy Henty

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    • 10. Poco Allegretto - Bernard Haitnik gives his anaklysis and feedback to Leo McFall

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    • 11. Allegro - Bernard Haitnik gives his anaklysis and feedback to Leo McFall

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    • 12. Allegro - Bernard Haitnik gives his anaklysis and feedback to Karim Said

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    • 13. Allegro - Bernard Haitnik gives his anaklysis and feedback to Thomas Blunt

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    • 14. Allegro - Bernard Haitnik gives his anaklysis and feedback to Anne-Marie hGranau

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Lesson transcript

Music Lesson: Third Movement Insights

The third movement is extremely touching.
It features:

  • Still more chamber music
  • A smaller orchestra
  • A wonderful tune for celli and violins
  • Later on, the oboe takes over

What's interesting about this movement is that orchestras and musicians really want to immerse themselves in it. It is extremely espressivo. However, Brahms notated mezzavoce.

Introspection in Interpretation

So, it should be very introverted in a way, not so much introverted as inward-looking. It should not resemble a quasi Italian aria. No, it needs to be... I don't like the word humble, but in that direction.

Scoring Insights

The third movement has a compelling beginning with a wonderful tune, espressivo, but marked mezzavoce. This indicates a very subtle sound.

  • There are little hairpins here for the violas.
  • It is a very nostalgic piece, Brahms was a lonesome man, and sometimes, as you can hear from his music, he was rather nostalgic.

There exists a sort of longing for something, perhaps unknown. This balancing act between lyricism and longing must translate into sound, which is very difficult.

Performance Technique

But the playing should not sound like daily bread and butter. The celli must really find a way to express this espressivo but mezzovoce.

  • Try to answer, Celia.
    • "Yeah. I would not start the crescendo too soon."

Timing is crucial in this piece:

  • Tip: Bow to the next bar after two beats.
    • One, two. And now, no crescendo.

Yes, here lies the nostalgia. He has no espressivo. Yes, there is vibrato, but there is no crescendo there.

Rehearsal Notes

Let's try it once more:

  • One, two, sample piano.
    • Okay, I hope this aligns with your way of thinking too.

Another challenge for the conductor is to convey that mood with the limited options of two hands and maybe a face.

  • May I try it once?
    • "Sorry, I feel always a bit inhibited because one sings. Of course, it's an ego trip. Conducting is an ego trip. But in this case, I really mean it. I mean well."

Finding the Right Tempo

Of course, you don't have to adopt my slow tempo; take your own. But try to find the right mood.

  • Important Note: In the score, you might notice a small form at the last letter "I".
    • You are getting dangerously slow, and gaps are beginning to appear.

Keep the line moving a little bit more.

  • Notice: If it feels a bit blocked.

Revisiting Letter I

Let's revisit letter I.

  • "I'd like to do this one once more, please. Be careful in the last four bars."
    • Retenuto is already composed by Brahms himself, don't add something extra to it.

At letter I, the gaps feel too big for my taste.

  • Reminder: Keep it moving.
    • Let's do it once more.

Conducting Challenges

It is essential for a conductor to maintain the right concentration and not get upset when things go wrong during performances. In such moments:

  • You can't talk or criticize.
  • Don't make bad faces; just go on and try to give them confidence.

This is very important. You have to convey to them that you are there not to criticize, but to give them confidence.

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With an international conducting career that has spanned more than five decades, Amsterdam-born Bernard Haitink is one of today's most celebrated conductors.

Appointed Principal Conductor of the Chicago Symphony Orchestra from the beginning of the 2006-7 season, he has led many of the world's major orchestras, including more than 25 years at the helm of the Royal Concertgebouw as its music director. In addition, Mr Haitink has previously held posts as music director of the Dresden Staatskapelle, the Royal Opera, Covent Garden, Glyndebourne Festival Opera, and the London Philharmonic. He is Conductor Laureate of the Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra, Conductor Emeritus of the Boston Symphony Orchestra, and an honorary member of the Berlin Philharmonic. He has made frequent guest appearances with the Berlin Philharmonic, Vienna Philharmonic, Bavarian Radio, London Symphony and other leading orchestras.

Mr Haitink has recorded widely for the Phillips, Decca and EMI labels, including complete cycles of Mahler, Bruckner, and Schumann symphonies with the Concertgebouw and extensive repertoire with the Berlin and Vienna Philharmonic orchestras and the Boston Symphony Orchestra. His most recent recordings are the complete Brahms and Beethoven symphonies with the London Symphony Orchestra on the LSO Live label. His discography also includes many opera recordings with the Royal Opera and Glyndebourne, as well as with the Bavarian Radio Orchestra and Dresden Staatskapelle. Mr Haitink's recording of Janacek's Jenufa with the orchestra, soloists, and chorus of the Royal Opera House, Covent Garden received a Grammy Award for best opera recording in 2004.

Mr Haitink has received many international awards in recognition of his services to music, including both an honorary Knighthood and the Companion of Honour in the United Kingdom, and the House Order of Orange-Nassau in the Netherlands. He was named Musical America's "Musician of the Year" for 2007.

In his MusicGurus course on Brahms' Symphony No. 3, Haitink draws on that lifetime at the podium to take you deep inside the score - how he shapes its phrasing, balance, tempo and structure - offering rare insight into how one of the great conductors reads and brings a Brahms symphony to life, whether you are a conductor, an orchestral player or a passionate listener.

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